Jeremy: Felix, baby, what's going on? How are you?
Felix Wong: Yeah, I'm doing well.
Jeremy: you up cause you're in Hong Kong, correct?
Felix Wong: I mean the future.
Jeremy: Yeah. Yeah. You're in the future. Technically.
Felix Wong: Definitely. I always joke.
Jeremy: That's how it's like time travel, like zoom is essentially time travel.
All right. Perfect. So Felix love you're grinding on no-code Twitter.
Uh, you got a voice. You're doing some cool shit on LinkedIn too, right?
Felix Wong: Yeah, LinkedIn is, is, is my baby. I started working on LinkedIn for some time. I like reading. I like following people and I connect bunch of amazing talks.
Jeremy: Oh yeah. So what would you say is a better let's get, let's get around this, like, uh, this no-code ecosystem.
What do you think has the better no-code ecosystem? Uh, LinkedIn or Twitter?
Felix Wong: Well, I think definitely Twitter, uh, people are more mix, uh, open to, to have conversation. You don't have to send any request on LinkedIn. People are more conservative. Uh, they, they try to make use of LinkedIn to position their professional image on Twitter.
You talk about no code politics, stocks, fun stuff all the time.
Jeremy: So like, are you, do you, are you finding success or some traction with no code LinkedIn? If that's the thing
Felix Wong: I attempt, uh, I think I, I still maintain a relationship. It connect people where we met on Twitter, and eventually we connect on LinkedIn as well, uh, in a more professional manner.
Uh, we, I do see, he will talk about no cocktail write stuff on LinkedIn, but not getting as much as attention on Twitter. Uh, I think on, on LinkedIn people still trying to, um, make use of the platform to talk about more. Professionals hustle, marketing investments in all of these topics, while on, on Twitter is more, you know, saw trade people, check, and then you put pictures, sometimes videos on LinkedIn.
These items and content are not really welcome.
Jeremy: Oh yeah. Sure. So like, um, so let's talk about like no code Twitter then, like, which one do you feel you obviously feel more free on no-code Twitter? Like how, how have you gotten your first. Uh, well, first off we can, we can go into a little bit about like how you've built a little business around no-code.
So explain, explain the first time that you made money using no code.
Felix Wong: Yeah, that's good. That's a good question. So I actually started my first first project built with no cocktails in August, 2019 and, uh, um, no rocket science. I just tried to sell some digital templates online and I want to get a quick solution to build out my websites, my automation flow and all these things, blah, blah, blah.
And I didn't. Monetize it at very beginning, uh, which is the former. Um, and I started monetize my digital templates in, in like March 20, 20, uh, like, uh, almost after six months of my products. And that's how I made my first $10 online. How
Jeremy: did you get your first paying customer? Was it automatic or did you have to beg for it?
I always go into. You can't be below begging for your first initial customers or crying or anything that you need to do. So like, because getting that first dollar is like a truck. So like, how did you, how did you get that first paying customer? Not company
Felix Wong: automate automated. I try to distribute my content and be a professional in my field, which is making presentation, building page stats and help people assess.
I started talking about these topic on, on Instagram, on, on Cora. And the more I do, the more I realized my West side, getting more traffic people coming in. And that's how they download, earn some, some premium content. I make my first dollar, um, it's been awhile. Uh, I took, I took some time to do out my present on Instagram, on Cora, uh, those tasks on last two, my primary source of, uh, traffic as well as, uh, where people, uh, download my products.
Jeremy: Oh, got you. Okay. So where can people find those products right now? What, what.
Felix Wong: I put all my links on Twitter in my, uh, in my pile. Uh, apart from that, uh, you can also find, uh, my first projects on Instagram called slice stocks, the slice seal. So, um, the way I make money. Basically, I do have a consistent, um, update schedule.
So basically since I started the projects I've been updating every week nonstop, I talk about how I do presentations, how I'd sell and how I put up templates to inspire people, to, um, to become a better presenter. I am different audience customers, or even tenants.
Jeremy: That's amazing. So like, how did it going, I guess, going back to like, monetizing that first, that first customer getting your first paying customer, it's kind of reaffirming, isn't it?
That like what you're doing you can do for a living, right? Like how did it feel to get that first paying customer?
Felix Wong: It feels extremely satisfying, definitely like something from scratch and actually make some money where you can compensate every tools you pay. The feeling is just amazing. It's not about how much you've made is the way you literally make something happen online from strangers.
You have country known, you know, uh, no idea about where they came from, who they are and they're supporting your project. It's just amazing. Um, on a speaking, I, I still contributed most of my time in my full-time job. I only spend maybe roughly two hours something a week to all my side projects. And when you realize did the minimum, now you're contributing to a projects you're making money.
Not big, but maybe contributing your, your coffee budget per se. It just amazing.
Jeremy: Yeah, man, like, yeah. If you can pay for your, you know, a couple of streaming subscriptions in your coffee for the month, it's like, that's even kind of really cool. Yeah. That's great. What is, what would, what would you say is the number one tip?
Because I know you throw this stuff on Twitter and LinkedIn, um, but what, what would be your, your, a couple of your top tips for, uh, inspiring? No coders. To make money, put products out there
Felix Wong: today, monetize earlier. Uh, if you love that, if you're comfortable about your, your, the, the quality of your project, where you can achieve helping people to solve real problems, where they cannot find any alternative in the market charge dollar.
Like even, even if it's not announced like as early as possible, sometime it is quite, it's quite tricky. People are reading to pay for, you know, really extreme, uh, expensive without even thinking. And they, they immediately attached to the psychological thinking behind, okay, I'm paying for this product. I'm sure there's a commitment behind.
So, um, yeah. Uh, I liked it that way. I liked the idea of freemium. Uh, sometime it works for certain products, but if you confident where you can monetize early on to it,
Jeremy: I think, I think it's even before you're confident in it because I love what you're saying. I love, I love that tip. Right. So it's like, um, I know for a fact that, uh, you can either, like on our site, you can either sign up for our wait list or just buy and go in.
And we only do an annual subscription right now, at least with no freemium. Because we want the people that are inside to be committed. We want them to have skin in the game and like early on in my career, when I gave them, I never heard from a nobody, like when I made people pay for things, I got dude, good and bad.
So like, that's the one thing that you can always count on is if dude, I think like we only charge like eight bucks a month or something like, like, so you're saying as little as you can. Right. So like, dude, while we're offering could be 25, 20, 30, 40, 50 bucks a month, 80 bucks a month. But like, like we were just trying to use that monetization is as early as possible.
I think that's a great tip. Um, so where do you think no code goes from here? What is, what is some of the things you do? And don't like with, uh, with no code right now.
Felix Wong: Well, I liked the idea behind using in public. I do at small, I follow a lot of people building in public, but one thing I hate is when I have no idea or the secret behind building in public.
When, when I say building, I expect people to share everything. Sometimes people trying to hide things, trying to get. Her attention. I get it. I do it as salt, but, uh, I would love to see the, the, the building in public mindset, more intuitive, more open, and, um, more and more people are jumping into the same game to, to their audience early on.
Even before they launch a product. I think it's amazing.
Jeremy: Yeah, that's great. I'm a big fan of it too. Like I think, uh, what are you, let me get your little advice here. So I w w because we're building a no code product, meaning people like we are building things that people would build in. No-code very meta.
It's very hard to be honest. Um, and it's a huge, bigger task than even I even bought. And one of the things that we want to do is like how we build a no code tool in public. The other like, cause the challenges are just layered. Do you think I should go that honest, authentic, good and bad. Like building the entire SAS company.
Felix Wong: Well, I think it's great. A lot of people are excited about how to settle a SAS business. Um, I mean, at the end of the day, there's not nothing, you know, more or less the same, like running a business, going no Coke tool, a SAS product use do have to go through all these trainings from identifying the problems, identify the persona owners and how the software problems.
And then . Where do your assumption? Is it more or less the same? Are you just caught or no cohort size or surface businesses.
Jeremy: Perfect. Okay, Felix, I loved having you on here, man. I know these are quick hits, but these are valuable hits. We're going to have to have you come back on a, when you hit some, hit some new milestones and share your new journey, uh, here in the next couple of months.
How's that sound?
Felix Wong: Yes. Awesome,
Jeremy: dude. I love it. Well, good morning, uh, in Hong Kong and uh, where can people find you? Uh,
Felix Wong: you can find me on Twitter, on LinkedIn, and if you enjoy food and drinks, I talk about it all the time on my Instagram.
Jeremy: Love it. Awesome. Thanks so much for coming on. So he looks excited.
Awesome. Okay. Take care.